. >> that's the next thing i want to ask you. i'd like you to come up with a policy you can recommend to president obama on the air right now that would be better than the minimum wage. because recall, 40% of unemployed people today are long-term unemployed, disproportionately in the bottom 20% and those people will be hurt by minimum wage increases. but you and i agree that minimum wage people could make more money to support their families better. what's a better policy starting right now that president obama should be talking about instead of what he's doing, which is hurting poor people such they can make more money no matter how much it costs. >> look, just to be clear. i like the question, but i don't agree with the premise. i do think a moderate increase would help. to answer the part of your question that i agree with, here's what i think he should do. the earned income tax is a very important pro work subsidy. this is a good way to help low-wage people. but for childless adults, adults who don't have kids, it's rea y rea